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8:35:50 AM Dedalvs: Hey, insgve.
8:35:58 AM ingsve: morning
8:44:25 AM Dedalvs: Just getting things set up. During talks, I'll be running the IRC.
8:44:38 AM ingsve: okies
8:45:18 AM ingsve: will the camera be at this distance or will it get moved closer?
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8:52:21 AM Dedalvs: It's planned to be this distance.
8:52:34 AM Dedalvs: It will not b easy to read the slides, I'm afraid.
8:52:47 AM ingsve: ya, that's what I was thinking
8:53:11 AM ingsve: I guess it resolution is not good enough anyone even if it were closer
8:53:17 AM ingsve: anyway*
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9:15:54 AM Broca: http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/live.php
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9:18:05 AM guitarplayer: good morning
9:18:10 AM guitarplayer: *is Carsten*
9:20:00 AM Fenhl: lucky_: http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/live.php
9:20:08 AM Broca: Morning
9:20:14 AM Broca: *is Arnt Richard*
9:20:35 AM Guest850: Good night? =)
9:21:11 AM Dedalvs: <— David Peterson
9:21:17 AM Dedalvs: I actually don't have these slides, it appears...
9:21:24 AM Dedalvs: I think Sven may have sent them to the wrong e-mail address.
9:21:33 AM Fenhl: <— Max Weber
9:21:52 AM cedh: <-- Jan Strasser
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9:23:52 AM Broca: Meh, gotta save battery power ...
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9:25:53 AM Dedalvs: Charles Fillmore, from Berkeley.
9:26:33 AM Dedalvs: Beth Levin's book is one of my favorites. She was a professor of Doug Ball's while he was at Stanford.
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9:28:50 AM Dedalvs: Hey, Arthaey. :)
9:28:54 AM Arthaey: heyas
9:29:01 AM Fenhl: hi.
9:29:03 AM Arthaey: can't see the presentation on the live stream, alas
9:29:18 AM Arthaey: who's presenting right now? are there materials online?
9:29:19 AM Dedalvs: I was supposed to have the slides, but I think Sven sent them to the wrong e-mail address.
9:29:23 AM Dedalvs: Sven Huynink.
9:29:30 AM Dedalvs: I'll get him to e-mail them again when he's done.
9:29:37 AM Arthaey: what's his talk on?
9:29:42 AM Arthaey: just tuned in :)
9:29:55 AM Dedalvs: Noun cases, in general.
9:30:00 AM Arthaey: gotcha
9:30:23 AM Dedalvs: But in particular, using noun cases for different verbal arguments, kind of in the vein of Matt Pearson's talk from LCC1.
9:31:01 AM Rakko: Hi
9:31:08 AM Dedalvs: Hi, Rakko! Where's everyone from?
9:31:11 AM Dedalvs: Incidentally.
9:31:29 AM ingsve: <---sweden
9:31:30 AM Arthaey: if you can't get the video to zoom in more clearly on the presentation, can you show the presenter instead?
9:31:38 AM Rakko: Midwestern USA
9:31:45 AM Guest850: Vancouver
9:31:47 AM Arthaey: California
9:31:53 AM Dedalvs: Oh, right. I kind of expected the presenter to present at the podium.
9:31:57 AM Dedalvs: He went rogue on me.
9:32:01 AM Dedalvs: Let me move the camera.
9:32:06 AM Arthaey: am currently in the US, couldn't make it to the conference this time :/
9:32:18 AM Arthaey: hi Dedalvs! I see you. :)
9:32:34 AM Arthaey: aha, there's the presenter
9:32:35 AM Dedalvs: lol
9:32:35 AM Arthaey: thanks
9:32:41 AM Dedalvs: Sorry about that.
9:33:14 AM Dedalvs: Oops!
9:33:15 AM Dedalvs: lol
9:33:32 AM Dedalvs: I gave it a bit more thought for Dothraki.
9:34:03 AM Dedalvs: I want to get a message to Christophe...
9:34:10 AM Dedalvs: Think I'm going to have to prepare an analog message.
9:34:20 AM Dedalvs: With an analog screen (a.k.a. paper).
9:35:34 AM ingsve: bit hard to follow a talk in accented english on a topic you can't completely follow
9:35:54 AM guitarplayer: this is europe, we speak lots of different languages here ;)
9:36:05 AM Arthaey: it'd be a lot easier if we could follow along with printed slides at the same time; will probably look at the materials later
9:36:11 AM Dedalvs: I know.
9:36:40 AM guitarplayer: it's my turn after sven actually, but I haven't yet sent the final version of my presentation to david yet either
9:36:51 AM guitarplayer: it's in my dropbox
9:36:54 AM Dedalvs: Hey, you're online!
9:36:58 AM guitarplayer: gonna post the link later
9:36:58 AM Dedalvs: Can you send them my way?
9:37:07 AM guitarplayer: oh well, I can do that too of course :D
9:37:13 AM Dedalvs: Heh, heh...
9:38:22 AM Dedalvs: I'll give you the download link in a sec.
9:39:03 AM ingsve: @guitarplayer Ya, it's not really the accent that's the problem it just adds to the confusion when you're not really familiar with the linguistic vocabulary. I'm not a linguist or conlanger. just a recent fan
9:39:37 AM guitarplayer: most of us aren't professional linguists, I believe, so no worries
9:41:42 AM Dedalvs: This is pretty neat. I promise I'll get you these slides in as soon as he's done here.
9:42:46 AM ingsve: ya, it will always be possible to go back and listen to the recorded talk later on as well I guess
9:43:17 AM Dedalvs: http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/speakers.php
9:43:23 AM Dedalvs: Look there for slides/handouts.
9:43:28 AM Dedalvs: I'll update it throughout the day.
9:45:45 AM Arthaey: heading to bed, have fun over there!
9:45:50 AM Dedalvs: Night, Arthaey. :)
9:47:18 AM Dedalvs: You can ask questions here too.
9:47:32 AM guitarplayer: oooh, now my turn :-S
9:47:39 AM guitarplayer: ah, first questions
9:47:40 AM guitarplayer: phew
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9:59:38 AM Dedalvs: I don' t understand. I saw Sven send me his slides again. I still haven't got them I don't know what's wrong.
9:59:46 AM Dedalvs: I sat next to him and watched.
10:00:19 AM Fenhl: USB?
10:00:27 AM Dedalvs: Good idea.
10:00:52 AM kaleissin: Dedalvs, maybe they were stopped by spam-filtering
10:01:06 AM kaleissin: <-- professional spam-hunter
10:02:52 AM Dedalvs: Perhaps… I generally can find them, though. :(
10:02:52 AM Rakko: night
10:02:56 AM Dedalvs: Night, Rakko. :)
10:06:42 AM Dedalvs: Sven's files are up.
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10:11:00 AM Dedalvs: Mechthild Czapp's slides are up.
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10:13:29 AM Dedalvs: Finishing up here, so if you have questions, fire away. :)
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10:32:21 AM Dedalvs: Getting his slides up now.
10:33:36 AM Dedalvs: They're now up.
10:33:50 AM Broca: Anyone following the feed? I understand the time is very inconvenient for America.
10:34:17 AM ingsve: I'm watching from sweden
10:34:27 AM Broca: ingsve: nice!
10:35:38 AM Dedalvs: If I were in America, I'd be following along. But then again I often find myself going to sleep at around 5 in the morning...
10:37:31 AM kaleissin: aren't you done studying? :)
10:37:55 AM kaleissin: only get to live properly  during long holidays these days
10:38:04 AM kaleissin: daylight is for grazers
10:38:25 AM Dedalvs: lol
10:38:34 AM Broca: Dedalvs: you did not!
10:40:36 AM Dedalvs: Heh, heh… Kind of funny to think of "obey" as taking a direct object in the same way as "kill" takes a direct object.
10:40:50 AM cedh: yeah
10:41:09 AM Dedalvs: Gives some agency to the sublimated!
10:42:12 AM cedh: rely <> lie sounds like a folk etymology... anyone know more?
10:42:20 AM Dedalvs: Good question.
10:42:31 AM Broca: Incorrect, it seems. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=rely&searchmode=none
10:42:42 AM Dedalvs: Latin religare
10:42:59 AM Fenhl: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/rely
10:43:08 AM Fenhl: incorrect, yes
10:43:30 AM Dedalvs: ligare = "to bind" in Latin; re- intensive.
10:43:37 AM Dedalvs: However...
10:43:41 AM Dedalvs: Where'd the "on" come from?
10:44:40 AM guitarplayer: German has "sich erinnern" btw, it's reflexive
10:44:43 AM Dedalvs: The Nose could be a good club.
10:45:00 AM Dedalvs: How does that work? Ich erinnere mich an...?
10:45:03 AM guitarplayer: yes
10:45:10 AM guitarplayer: and the object is in accusative
10:45:25 AM guitarplayer: or well, not object. adverbial
10:45:39 AM guitarplayer: or prepositional object?
10:45:41 AM guitarplayer: arrgh
10:45:56 AM Dedalvs: Object of the preposition, yes.
10:46:39 AM cedh: this used to be genitive a century ago: Ich erinnere mich des ...
10:46:47 AM cedh: I think
10:46:56 AM Fenhl: yup
10:47:00 AM Dedalvs: Poor genitive. It's dying an inglorious death auf Deutsch.
10:47:02 AM guitarplayer: [ʃplɔk] had an article recently on "gedenken"...
10:47:08 AM guitarplayer: that was kinda similar
10:48:17 AM Dedalvs: I think what's being called "verb control" here is actually called "theta role/case assignment".
10:48:24 AM Dedalvs: In syntax, c-command.
10:48:38 AM Dedalvs: (I.e. verbs assign cases to arguments they c-command in GB/PP.)
10:48:39 AM Fenhl: http://schplock.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/wir-gedenken-an-den-tod-von-jesus/
10:48:50 AM Broca: I think both of those are G&B/minimalism terms
10:48:59 AM cedh: so that's what c-command is about!
10:49:09 AM Dedalvs: Does MP use c-command...?
10:49:35 AM Broca: LFG calls it argument structure, IIRC
10:49:38 AM Dedalvs: (Not at all familiar with MP, though I've "read" articles.)
10:51:25 AM kaleissin: Dedalvs, I was hoping for raising verbs etc.
10:51:36 AM Dedalvs: That's actually what I was expecting.
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10:51:50 AM Dedalvs: Perhaps there was some confusion in the e-mail exchange...?
10:52:46 AM Dedalvs: I <3 Esperanta "je"
10:52:51 AM Dedalvs: I use everywhere.
10:52:54 AM Dedalvs: For everything.
10:52:58 AM Dedalvs: Because I can.
10:53:02 AM Fenhl: Dedalvs: what's it mean?
10:53:05 AM Dedalvs: Anything.
10:53:13 AM Dedalvs: Literally.
10:53:14 AM Broca: Latine sine flexione, isn't that all-ablative?
10:53:40 AM cedh: Dedalvs: do you know Esperant'?
10:53:50 AM cedh: That uses je everywhere... and verbs for everyhting... and drops the -o everywhere
10:53:54 AM kaleissin: texperanto is fun
10:53:54 AM Dedalvs: Mi povas paroli esperante.
10:53:56 AM guitarplayer: (btw, the painting to the right of the speaker's desk is the dutch queen)
10:53:58 AM cedh: "Esperant' tre strangas "
10:54:00 AM cedh: etc
10:54:06 AM Dedalvs: Or "Mi parolas je Esperanto."
10:54:35 AM Dedalvs: What's the episode name...?
10:54:45 AM guitarplayer: Darmok I think?
10:54:47 AM Fenhl: s/pray/prey/
10:54:58 AM kaleissin: the keyboard on this netbook haven't been set up to handle macrons... so no Taruven for you
10:55:00 AM Dedalvs: http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Darmok_(episode)
10:55:04 AM guitarplayer: you should be able to find it by goo--
10:55:06 AM guitarplayer: oh yeah
10:55:19 AM Broca: kaleissin: use the old orthography, with colons
10:55:48 AM Dedalvs: I do know of one that tried to do that.
10:55:56 AM kaleissin: the rabbit in that example definitely has reason to pray
10:55:58 AM Dedalvs: Because I followed it in a relay.
10:56:01 AM Dedalvs: lol
10:56:09 AM Dedalvs: I hadn't seen the Star Trek episode then.
10:56:25 AM Dedalvs: And I had absolutely NO idea what the heck the language was supposed to be doing.
10:56:30 AM Dedalvs: Let me find it...
10:56:53 AM guitarplayer: it's maybe up on youtube
10:57:06 AM Broca: It's like talking in memes.
10:57:08 AM guitarplayer: or at least the iconic scene, PICARD AND ??? AT TANAGRA!
10:57:28 AM Broca: I once had a meaningful technical conversation with someone on IRC using nothing but quotes from All Your Base Are Belong To Us.
10:57:40 AM guitarplayer: (actually I think it *did* turn into an internet meme in some circles...)
10:57:55 AM kaleissin: Broca, whoo, logs?
10:58:23 AM Broca: kaleissin: I'll try to search for them when NVG comes back up. It was years ago.
10:58:53 AM Dedalvs: http://www.quandary.org/~langs/relays/relay7/tallefkul/
10:58:56 AM Dedalvs: That's the language.
10:59:19 AM Dedalvs: I feel bad now, because I kind of gave the guy a hard time cause I couldn't figure out anything about his language. If I'd seen the Star Trek episode, it would've made sense!
11:00:15 AM cedh: a bit like Anglo-Saxon kennings
11:00:20 AM cedh: whale-road = ocean, etc
11:00:32 AM Dedalvs: Examples redone with Zero-Wing.
11:00:32 AM guitarplayer: honey-eater = bear :)
11:00:42 AM Dedalvs: "I know that someone set us up the bomb."
11:01:01 AM Dedalvs: lol Honey-eater sounds like a derogatory word for "bear" in English.
11:01:02 AM Broca: Dedalvs: the phrase is “someone set up us the bomb”.
11:01:15 AM Dedalvs: Dang, "set up us"!
11:01:18 AM Broca: COmmon mistake.
11:01:18 AM kaleissin: I've turned compose on but of curse a+- gives ã :(
11:01:19 AM Dedalvs: My bad.
11:01:45 AM Dedalvs: Or rather:
11:01:48 AM Dedalvs: WHAT YOU SAY?!
11:01:55 AM Broca: Heh.
11:02:07 AM kaleissin: lol
11:02:09 AM guitarplayer: <kaleissin> I've turned compose on but of curse a+- gives ã :( <- um, isn't it supposed to do that? compose, -, a = ā?
11:02:12 AM Fenhl: I see a boy that has no chance to survive make your time.
11:02:21 AM Dedalvs: lol
11:02:25 AM guitarplayer: ah, philip just said it's a tilde
11:02:36 AM guitarplayer: my font's fault
11:02:59 AM Dedalvs: What  through me for loop about French: the unbelievably convoluted "Qu'est que c'est".
11:03:29 AM guitarplayer: *Qu'est-ce que c'est
11:03:30 AM Fenhl: Qu'est-ce que c'est
11:03:33 AM Dedalvs: Oh, right.
11:03:36 AM Dedalvs: It's even worse.
11:03:47 AM Fenhl: ninja'd
11:04:14 AM Dedalvs:  /insert ASCII rendering of ninja
11:04:17 AM Broca: Dedalvs, kaleissin: here's raisin' 4 u.
11:04:30 AM Dedalvs: lol
11:04:35 AM Dedalvs: Bout time!
11:05:22 AM guitarplayer: also, "qu'est-ce que c'est" is "what is this" actually, literally 'what is it that it is'
11:05:43 AM Dedalvs: Which is just abominable, in my opinion.
11:05:47 AM guitarplayer: the "what" part is just "qu'est-ce que"
11:06:02 AM guitarplayer: but yeah, it's abonimable ;)
11:06:46 AM kaleissin: there, some raisning verbs!, yay
11:07:01 AM Dedalvs: Let's call them raisin verbs from now on.
11:07:09 AM Fenhl: of course, most people just say "C'est quoi?" or something
11:07:28 AM Dedalvs: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gobblin.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/raisin.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.restrictorplated.com/2009/05/27/2009-autism-speaks-400-preview-dover-international-speedway/&usg=__rLbBjhIJDcNFPFJDM4wLVIhBH5Q=&h=375&w=500&sz=145&hl=en&start=1&zoom=1&tbnid=Hybj4v7M-AX7DM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&ei=Q0bOTfaGEcrT-gbwjrS6DA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dtwo%2Bscoops%2Bof%2Braisins%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D1431%26bih%3D689%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1
11:08:09 AM kaleissin: aaaaaaaaaaaaaah
11:08:28 AM Fenhl: kaleissin: on the last slide
11:09:57 AM Dedalvs: Any questions online?
11:11:24 AM kaleissin: Pity that the Rempts aren't here
11:11:33 AM guitarplayer: they live in the netherlands :o
11:11:55 AM kaleissin: Deventer
11:12:01 AM Broca: Come to think of, can't remember seeing them on the ML lately
11:12:10 AM Dedalvs: I asked them; they said they were both busy.
11:12:19 AM Broca: :-(
11:12:25 AM Dedalvs: Yeah. :(
11:12:54 AM kaleissin: they dropped out of the list ages ago to
11:13:06 AM kaleissin: Irina was afraid of Ilaini getting compromised I know
11:13:47 AM Broca: Compromised? You mean, the kitchen-sink effect?
11:14:24 AM kaleissin: starting out translating biblical stuff for instance means you wind up with a language borrowing structure from hebrew
11:14:42 AM kaleissin: Taruven has a word for and.then because of thde babel text
11:14:58 AM kaleissin: and a zillion imperatives...
11:15:09 AM guitarplayer: *makes joke about how everyone has a word for "mortar"*
11:15:09 AM kaleissin: as in not true to itself
11:15:09 AM kaleissin: infected
11:15:22 AM kaleissin: f'rinstance
11:15:34 AM Broca: Yes, I understand what you mean.
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11:26:09 AM Dedalvs: brb
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11:34:47 AM Dedalvs: That's a pretty cool concept: one lexeme for "both hands".
11:35:11 AM Fenhl: yeah, and as an adjective
11:35:22 AM pne: meaning "with both hands"?
11:35:46 AM Dedalvs: In his, it means "manually" or "by hand".
11:36:34 AM Dedalvs: I bet they could borrow foreign words better than the Rikchik. ;)
11:37:16 AM pne: I was thinking of ASL
11:37:21 AM pne: which can't easily borrow verbal names
11:37:24 AM pne: except through fingerspelling
11:37:33 AM pne: so they express names through, well, their own phonology
11:37:45 AM Dedalvs: ASL does it all the time.
11:37:51 AM Dedalvs: But I like the native names better.
11:37:58 AM Dedalvs: I knew a girl named Rain.
11:37:58 AM pne: *nod*
11:38:01 AM pne: cute
11:38:28 AM pne: "Ally ASL" 's name is something like Smile, IIRC
11:38:41 AM Dedalvs: That's a good name.
11:39:09 AM Dedalvs: Is that true? Chinese: raw = uncivilized; cooked = civilized?
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11:42:39 AM Guest850: quick dictionary didn't turn anything up, bt my mandarin isn't great either
11:43:08 AM Guest850: cooked does seem to be used to re[resent something done that can't be undone
11:43:25 AM Guest850: *shrugs*
11:43:29 AM Guest850: not sure
11:49:59 AM Dedalvs: Okay, Njenfalgar's slides are up.
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11:59:47 AM Dedalvs: Hyenas and penguins. I like the way he thinks!
12:03:03 PM pne: I love Ubyk
12:03:06 PM pne: *Ubykh
12:05:22 PM Dedalvs: lol
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12:16:59 PM pne: "my boss, for..."
12:17:00 PM pne: :)
12:17:14 PM pne: lovely talk!
12:17:19 PM Fenhl: questions?
12:17:22 PM Dedalvs: Indeed!
12:20:17 PM pne: "not all of them were" :)
12:20:30 PM Fenhl: :D
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12:23:46 PM ingsve: so pause until 1400 no right?
12:23:58 PM pne: no
12:24:02 PM pne: additional presentaton
12:24:03 PM ingsve: ah
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12:24:14 PM pne: since there was time
12:24:43 PM Dedalvs: http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/mklcc4.ppt
12:24:48 PM Dedalvs: That's a link to his ppt
12:24:51 PM kaleissin: i tried to fix my compose-trouble and wound up havingto nuke my gnome-seup...
12:25:28 PM Broca: I thought Lars Finsen was supposed to be here?
12:25:38 PM ingsve: 404
12:26:40 PM pne: plural looks like Tongan to me
12:26:43 PM Dedalvs: Sorry. http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/speakers/mklcc4.ppt
12:27:44 PM pne: to be = infinitive or bare endings is nifty
12:28:25 PM Dedalvs: Re: Lars Finsen: He said right at the last minute he wouldn't be able to come. :(
12:28:33 PM pne: :(
12:28:38 PM Fenhl: pne: one of my langs does that too
12:29:21 PM pne: nifty
12:29:50 PM pne: like Esperanto mal- ?
12:29:55 PM pne: or more like fi- ?
12:30:16 PM Dedalvs: Probably mal- + fi-
12:30:22 PM pne: pre = Lojban ba'e ?
12:30:39 PM Dedalvs: Wait, is fi- in Esperanto or Kamakawi...?
12:30:42 PM pne: I wonder what "fat" would be.. would it be positive or negative? What's "bad" or "good" depends on the culture
12:30:46 PM pne: Dedalvs: Esperanto
12:30:50 PM Broca: pne: zackly.
12:30:55 PM Dedalvs: Did I copy that unintentionally?!
12:31:00 PM Dedalvs: Fi- is reversive in Kamakawi.
12:31:05 PM Dedalvs: One of the few prefixes.
12:31:59 PM Broca: I wonder what “red” would be. Positive or negative?
12:32:15 PM Dedalvs: "Red" is obviously the opposite of "banana".
12:32:23 PM Broca: hahaha
12:32:37 PM pne: There are surely adjectives that have no opposite
12:34:02 PM pne: questions?
12:34:24 PM Dedalvs: http://www.frathwiki.com/Olesi
12:34:34 PM Dedalvs: http://learnolesi.wikia.com/wiki/Olesi_Wiki
12:39:19 PM pne: break now until 14:00
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2:05:06 PM pne: second session!
2:05:14 PM Fenhl: and we're back.
2:05:20 PM Fenhl: bah, ninja'd
2:05:56 PM guitarplayer: 2nd time!!
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2:07:06 PM pne: dear ladles and jellyspoons
2:08:32 PM Dedalvs: lol
2:08:36 PM Dedalvs: Slides coming; uploading.
2:09:23 PM Dedalvs: http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/speakers/lrlcc4.ppt
2:10:14 PM pne: I read about a book where the "others" speak in an incomprehensible language and that, as the hero learns the language, it becomes more and more English
2:10:36 PM Dedalvs: Sounds cool. Know the title?
2:10:39 PM Broca: pne: clever!
2:11:03 PM pne: I'm afraid I don't remember more than that
2:11:19 PM pne: It may even not have been an extant book but simply an idea mooted on the conlang lsit
2:12:11 PM Dedalvs: Up now.
2:12:53 PM Dedalvs: I have the cap to Lykara's USB thingy; someone remind me when she's done.
2:13:10 PM pne: Some include whole appendices specifying the pronunciation of proper nouns used in the book
2:13:20 PM Dedalvs: lol
2:15:10 PM guitarplayer: lykara's talk is half-related to my degree. so lit + conlanging, yay :D
2:15:28 PM Dedalvs: What's your degree?
2:15:50 PM guitarplayer: I'm currently studying for a BA in "European Literature"
2:15:59 PM guitarplayer: that is, specilizing in German and English lit
2:16:07 PM Dedalvs: Oh, cool. One of my BA's was in literature.
2:16:25 PM Dedalvs: My senior seminar was on Beckett.
2:18:54 PM Dedalvs: What was Zamenhof...?
2:18:57 PM Dedalvs: Like, what did he do?
2:19:07 PM Broca: Eye doctor.
2:19:15 PM Broca: Or whatever that is in Latin :-P
2:19:30 PM Dedalvs: Medicus ocularis?
2:19:31 PM Broca: Oh, Greek. Ophthalmologist.
2:23:52 PM pne: Irdonozur sounds Basque to me
2:25:39 PM Dedalvs: lol
2:26:59 PM pne: shivering of the body = ASL?
2:27:23 PM pne: (well, sign language in general?)
2:27:33 PM Dedalvs: I was actually thinking of a particular episode in Star Trek: Voyager.
2:27:50 PM pne: sundial: WHAT
2:27:58 PM pne: lol
2:28:09 PM Dedalvs: That's awesome. I need to try that with my nose.
2:28:16 PM pne: heh
2:28:17 PM Dedalvs: It will probably need to be lengthened.
2:29:25 PM pne: early MP3 players
2:29:42 PM Dedalvs: It only took us three centuries to realize his dream.
2:29:50 PM pne: and it reminds me of blind people wo don't bother to learn to read braille because they listen to books on tape
2:30:00 PM pne: Dedalvs: true
2:30:43 PM pne: early auxlang
2:30:51 PM pne: self-describing auxlang?
2:30:54 PM Dedalvs: That's a great idea.
2:31:10 PM Dedalvs: "If you don't understand my language, it simply means because you know not THE TRUTH!"
2:31:19 PM Broca: A lot of people have tried to rediscover The Perfect Language
2:31:25 PM pne: we need one of those immediately-obvious languages
2:31:27 PM Dedalvs: Vridzrodugo dolubastiyeni.
2:31:39 PM Dedalvs: If your heart is pure, you'll understand that.
2:31:45 PM Dedalvs: If not, I shall have nothing to do with you.
2:31:59 PM Broca: Gnuj Wroj.
2:32:05 PM pne: The Emperor^Wlanguage has no clothes^Wsemantics!
2:32:05 PM Dedalvs: HERETIC!
2:32:10 PM Dedalvs: lol
2:33:13 PM Dedalvs: Hey, check out that c+t ligature.
2:33:18 PM Dedalvs: It's like a backwards ß.
2:37:44 PM guitarplayer: intrestingly there's an ſt and st ligature in unicode (ſt, st), but ct doesn't seem to be.
2:38:15 PM Dedalvs: Too bad. It'd be neat to have a backwards ß. You could combine the two and make a butterfly. :)
2:38:16 PM pne: I'm sure it's been proposed
2:39:17 PM Dedalvs: Spain is only referred to as "Ebronia" when one is being taught the word.
2:40:21 PM Dedalvs: Same thing happens in English. The word for "chair" is "bunder" but only when you're not using it.
2:40:29 PM guitarplayer: open type enabled fonts may include all those neat ligatures as contextual alternates
2:40:49 PM pne: which is why it's probably less likely for c-t lig to be accepted
2:40:53 PM pne: (or ligatures in general)
2:40:57 PM pne: in Unicode
2:41:23 PM pne: although a fair number of abbreviations for mediaeval manuscripts have been accepted "recently"
2:41:34 PM guitarplayer: yeah
2:42:22 PM guitarplayer: there's latin extended d
2:44:30 PM Fenhl: questions/suggestions?
2:44:36 PM pne: ninja
2:44:58 PM Dedalvs: lol
2:48:04 PM kaleissin: http://www.shannonrchamberlain.com/palefirepoem.html
2:48:14 PM ingsve: did joyce use created languages in finnegans wake or did he just use various natlangs?
2:49:26 PM pne: "I was the shadow of the waxwing slain" reminds me of "You are the evening of the coming porous prophet."
2:49:29 PM pne: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Lojban+Rock+Lyrics
2:49:52 PM Broca: pne: where is the waxwing quote from?
2:50:02 PM pne: Broca: kaleissin's link
2:50:08 PM Broca: Ah
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2:50:49 PM pne: which is what Dedalvs had mentioned out loud
2:51:42 PM pne: apostrophes are on JBR's list, too
2:52:07 PM pne: http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/lingo.html#s2 , lesson 10
2:52:10 PM Fenhl: and in the LCK
2:52:14 PM pne: is it
2:52:42 PM Fenhl: yeah
2:53:05 PM guitarplayer: well, in the LCK it say that if you must use apostrophes, use them sensibly and be aware that apostrophes are used for a whole bunch of stuff in different languages
2:53:08 PM guitarplayer: (iirc)
2:53:20 PM Fenhl: yeah
2:53:57 PM pne: Ah, http://www.zompist.com/kitlong.html#alien
2:54:45 PM Fenhl: ingsve: is that a question for Lykara?
2:54:57 PM Dedalvs: I like it for contractions and for the glottal stop.
2:54:59 PM Dedalvs: Is what?
2:55:06 PM Dedalvs: Someone's asking a question right now.
2:55:07 PM pne: I didn't see ingsve say anything
2:55:22 PM Broca: About Joyce.
2:55:29 PM kaleissin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momo_%28novel%29
2:55:43 PM Fenhl: <ingsve> did joyce use created languages in finnegans wake or did he just use various natlangs?
2:55:49 PM Dedalvs: Joyce did use Esperanto roots.
2:56:03 PM pne: thanks Fenhl 
2:56:11 PM pne: and Broca 
2:57:35 PM Dedalvs: il-say-yung
2:57:38 PM Dedalvs: Over and over.
2:57:51 PM guitarplayer: bascially :)
2:58:20 PM guitarplayer: i-say-long i-so-long i-so, something like that
3:04:20 PM guitarplayer: http://www.zompist.com/kitlong.html#diacrit, 2nd paragraph also
3:04:29 PM guitarplayer: (in addition to the link philip posted)
3:05:21 PM Fenhl: This is Empress Nx'id''ar' of the planet Bla'no'no!
3:06:08 PM guitarplayer: tnuctipun
3:06:33 PM pne: "I think [name] is in a state of pulling our legs"
3:07:08 PM pne: guitarplayer: ah yes, your section is even better re: (ab)use of the apostrophe
3:07:44 PM guitarplayer: that quotation was actually difficult to translate into German ;)
3:07:50 PM guitarplayer: at least i found it to be
3:07:55 PM guitarplayer: not being a professional translator and stuff
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3:17:02 PM ingsve: what kind of file format is .ttp?
3:17:13 PM ingsve: tpp i mean
3:17:31 PM pne: text-only (non graphical) presentation#
3:17:39 PM guitarplayer: have you seen the text effects? ;)
3:17:44 PM pne: the source code is simply ASCII with some meta-commands to control presentatino
3:17:46 PM Dedalvs: I have absolutely no idea.
3:17:49 PM guitarplayer: I wouldn't have expected that was possible in Terminal
3:17:50 PM pne: it's... a bit bizarre
3:17:57 PM pne: guitarplayer: probably curses
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3:18:50 PM pne: guitarplayer: I take it you've never seen ANSI ... whatever they were called. From the BBS scene. I guess you're about ten years too young for that :)
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3:19:19 PM guitarplayer: I've read about the BBS scene, but indeed, I'm too young for that
3:19:38 PM guitarplayer: <- only born in the mid-80s
3:20:38 PM Dedalvs: Did I just hear "tamagachi"?
3:20:43 PM Dedalvs: Been ages!
3:20:50 PM guitarplayer: tamagochi
3:20:58 PM pne: tamagotchi
3:20:58 PM guitarplayer: little beepy japanese toys
3:21:02 PM guitarplayer: oh, sorry
3:21:02 PM pne: it has been!
3:21:13 PM guitarplayer: *that* I should've known :O
3:21:36 PM pne: message of cuteness, heh
3:22:09 PM Dedalvs: Why is it spelled that way?
3:22:21 PM pne: which way?
3:22:33 PM pne: or rather, why is what spelled which way?
3:22:47 PM guitarplayer: you had to breed out a little virtual egg iirc, and a creature would hatch, and you had to feed it, and some kids allegedly committed suicide even when their belovèd tamagotchi died
3:23:09 PM guitarplayer: *was never really into it, only had classmates in primary school who were*
3:25:52 PM Dedalvs: tch
3:25:55 PM Dedalvs: That part of it.
3:26:07 PM pne: Hepburn convention for geminate "ch"
3:26:10 PM Broca: Standard Hepburn romanization, isn't it?
3:26:16 PM Broca: ninja'd
3:26:25 PM Dedalvs: Pff… That's a terrible convention.
3:26:36 PM pne: not worse than geminate k = ck
3:26:41 PM pne: as opposed to kk
3:26:42 PM Dedalvs: ?!!?!
3:26:47 PM Dedalvs: Ack! That's awful!
3:26:55 PM pne: that's not in Japanese, but in English or German
3:26:56 PM Fenhl: german?!!?!
3:27:02 PM Fenhl: ninja'd
3:27:10 PM Dedalvs: Wha…?
3:27:25 PM guitarplayer: http://nichtlustig.de/toondb/101205.html <- us?
3:27:25 PM pne: Dutch has "bakken", German has "backen" (which used to be hyphenated bak-ken, though! Now ba-cken, ick)
3:27:38 PM pne: lol
3:27:41 PM Dedalvs: Huh.
3:28:16 PM guitarplayer: (the thinking bubble reads "Totally sad nobody's attending", the banner says "World Ninja Day" as you can probably tell)
3:28:25 PM pne: English has "beck (and call)", etc.
3:28:45 PM Dedalvs: And beckon.
3:29:25 PM Fenhl: pne: it can also be hyphenated bac-ken or back-en
3:29:32 PM pne: really
3:29:33 PM pne: ok
3:29:36 PM guitarplayer: isn't German tz actually geminated "z"?
3:29:42 PM pne: I believe so
3:29:52 PM pne: Don't you love a language where the spelling changes when you hyphenate?
3:29:53 PM Dedalvs: Sad  but true: The Rejistanian in this presentation is more comprehensible to me than much of the English. : \
3:29:58 PM guitarplayer: well, MHG had zz, but that's /s/
3:29:59 PM Dedalvs: <— Knows nothing about "tech" stuff.
3:30:10 PM pne: I imagine the main reason the -ck- hyphenation was changed was the difficulty of representing that change in software
3:30:11 PM Dedalvs: E.g. what is a "data packet"?
3:30:16 PM Fenhl: ^^
3:30:56 PM guitarplayer: pne: hah!
3:31:01 PM pne: Dedalvs: data packets are the trucks on the information superhighway :)
3:32:37 PM Dedalvs: Is that what compiling is...?
3:32:47 PM guitarplayer: bascially, yes.
3:34:12 PM pne: I need a language with a monosyllabic, basic word for "to pirate a file"
3:34:24 PM Dedalvs: Think that'd be "grok".
3:34:39 PM Dedalvs: (Even though in English "grok" now means "comprehend".)
3:35:07 PM pne: "to remove the insignia of a priest"... the things that people have words for!
3:35:25 PM Dedalvs: What's that? Defrock?
3:35:26 PM kaleissin: ..defrock?
3:35:32 PM Dedalvs: Jynx.
3:36:07 PM pne: At least that one's analysable/decomposable
3:36:41 PM Dedalvs: Didn't know "fork" was a tech term.
3:37:00 PM pne: "to format the wrong partition" - rueful grin
3:37:06 PM pne: Dedalvs: yes
3:37:21 PM pne: especially in the open source part of tech
3:37:26 PM guitarplayer: :)
3:37:50 PM Dedalvs: I feel like I'm 30 years older than I am...
3:39:53 PM guitarplayer: IME, there's astonishingly many people in their early 20s (not just girls) who know little about computers, or how to use them effectively.
3:40:12 PM Dedalvs: "Not just girls." Ouch!
3:40:22 PM guitarplayer: I mentioned that to avoid the stereotype :O
3:40:28 PM Broca: Computers have gotten astonishingly easier to use.
3:41:18 PM kaleissin: i don't really mind that the so-called online generation doesn't have a clue about tech
3:41:28 PM kaleissin: more work for me
3:41:45 PM kaleissin: they use it but can't do it
3:41:55 PM ingsve: just shows how western centric we are...if you look globally I'm sure a majority of people in their 20s knows very little about computers.
3:41:56 PM Dedalvs:  /highfive
3:43:02 PM guitarplayer: whatever, what I wanted to say is that not being good with computers is gender-independent, of course, contrary to the stereotype
3:43:34 PM ingsve: ya that's probably true
3:43:55 PM ingsve: most people are users and nothing more
3:44:19 PM kaleissin: lots of people who drive around in cars that don't know how to buikd a car from scratch after all
3:44:32 PM Dedalvs: Or maintain them effectively...
3:44:38 PM Dedalvs: I'm also guilty of this. :(
3:46:44 PM guitarplayer: in fact, I can't do more complicated bicycle repairs even, and bicycles are much less complicated than cars :-\
3:47:08 PM pne: that sort of knowledge seems to be getting lost in general
3:47:16 PM pne: used to be people could repair television sets
3:47:23 PM Dedalvs: No way!
3:47:23 PM pne: now they just get thrown away and bought new
3:47:24 PM Fenhl: there are specialists
3:47:33 PM Fenhl: for everything
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3:47:56 PM pne: questions?
3:50:13 PM Fenhl: https://gist.github.com/101728
3:50:26 PM Dedalvs: http://www.nswiki.net/index.php?title=Rejistanian
3:50:39 PM Dedalvs: http://rejistania.wordpress.com/
3:50:54 PM Fenhl: Dedalvs: rejis was referring to what I posted
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3:53:23 PM pne: guitarplayer: http://www.xibalba.demon.co.uk/jbr/lingo.html
3:55:27 PM Broca: Love that one.
3:55:35 PM Broca: “Humans no doubt come from Humus.”
3:56:48 PM pne: JBR has lots of useful stuff
3:56:57 PM pne: I also like the appendix to the Espe-Ranto about case systems
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4:03:03 PM Mia: Good morning, wildebeest... I mean, conlangers.
4:03:15 PM pne: hiya Mia
4:03:29 PM Broca: Oh, look! Can it be? A Leftpondian!
4:03:32 PM pne: David is about to talk about Dothraki if you want to watch the livestream
4:03:33 PM Broca: Welcome!
4:03:35 PM Dedalvs: hi Mia
4:06:07 PM Dedalvs: Mia: the live stream is at http://conference.conlang.org/lcc4/live.php
4:07:04 PM Mia: It is times like this, when I am watching someone talk at a conference while sitting on my bed in my pajamas, that I really appreciate technology.
4:07:14 PM Dedalvs: lol
4:07:42 PM pne: remember he can see you too if he looks into the lens of the camera!
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4:15:05 PM Dedalvs: if Dedalvs keeps moving left, the slides will turn yellow
4:18:04 PM pne: reminds me of Finnish with accusative vs partitive
4:18:13 PM pne: "he read the book" vs "he read in the book/he read part of the book"
4:18:57 PM pne: or even in French, for that matter: il a bu le thé vs. il a bu du thé
4:19:05 PM Broca: Neat. There are tons of ways to generalize this.
4:35:06 PM Dedalvs: questions?
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4:50:20 PM Mia: Well, I enjoyed that. 
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4:52:08 PM Fenhl: Mia: me too
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4:59:41 PM guitarplayer: i
4:59:42 PM guitarplayer: *hi
4:59:52 PM guitarplayer: irina, you and boudewijn have already been missed ;)
5:00:54 PM irina: he's on his way back from libre graphics meeting in canada, I'm holding the fort here (guests expected, can't burden two 15-year-olds with all the shopping/cooking/housework)
5:01:30 PM irina: someone (dedalvs?) asked me to speak but I don't think I have anything interesting to speak about
5:01:52 PM irina: anyway I'm a very bad public speaker, terminal stage fright especially with cameras & recording as well
5:03:47 PM Mia: It is good to see you here, anyway. :) 
5:04:01 PM irina: boudewijn hasn't done any conlang at all for years, far too busy with other things
5:04:20 PM irina: awesome sculpture for one thing, <plug> www.boudewijnrempt.nl
5:05:52 PM Mia: Nice.
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5:28:47 PM DonBoozer: Does anyone know for sure who is on the panel. I recognize Carsten and Christophe... who are the other 2?
5:28:57 PM DonBoozer: oops... 3 others.
5:29:00 PM Fenhl: from left to right
5:29:02 PM Fenhl: carsten
5:29:05 PM Fenhl: henrik
5:29:09 PM Fenhl: christophe
5:29:12 PM Fenhl: philip
5:29:13 PM Fenhl: jan
5:29:38 PM DonBoozer: Excellent...Thanks! I'll post to twitter. 
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5:31:17 PM MaKuB3x: hi everybody
5:31:20 PM Fenhl: hi
5:31:21 PM MaKuB3x: saluton!
5:31:48 PM Mia: hello! saluton! :) 
5:32:23 PM MaKuB3x: mi parolas la hispanan, kaj vi?
5:32:59 PM irina: English, Nederlands, deutsch :-)
5:33:27 PM irina: I can puzzle out most european languages
5:34:18 PM MaKuB3x: but you can understand esperanto, right?
5:34:26 PM irina: yes, only not produce it
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5:36:16 PM saizai: hm, looks like I missed a bunch
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5:36:29 PM saizai: hopefully they turned on recording for the livestream?
5:36:57 PM Mia: It might be nice if there were a CONLANG-B list for beginners and people who want to hang out with them... kind of like GAEILGE-B for Irish learners.
5:37:06 PM saizai: Trey314159: "trey" is registered to someone else :P
5:37:26 PM Trey314159: Yep.. that's whay I switched to my backup
5:37:27 PM saizai: Mia: CONLANG-L has lots of beginners
5:37:42 PM irina: it told me I could only join with a registered nick but let me join anyway.
5:38:04 PM Mia: I know... But if people get impatient answering the same questions over and over, that's frustrating for both parties
5:38:25 PM DonBoozer: Do there need to be more (and more accessible) conlang-FAQ's out there??
5:39:07 PM saizai: irina: "irina" isn't registered
5:39:13 PM saizai: you could register it if you want
5:39:26 PM saizai: (use /nickserv info [username])
5:39:37 PM Fenhl: DonBoozer: yes
5:39:39 PM saizai: DonBoozer: I've prodded so for a while :P
5:39:43 PM irina: hmm, am I likely to use this server after today/tomorrow? if not it's not an issue
5:39:56 PM Mia: Or even just a single resources page with font making software, word generation software, good guides to basic linguistics...
5:39:59 PM irina: it let me join the channel anyway
5:40:13 PM saizai: this channel isn't +r
5:40:26 PM irina: ah, that explains it
5:41:00 PM Trey314159: is anyone familiar with conling.wikia.com? That seems like a good place to send beginners with questions
5:41:09 PM saizai: huh, and has no ops nor registration?
5:41:23 PM saizai: I wonder how one would even do so
5:41:37 PM DonBoozer: I just posted conlang.wikia in the Conlanger's Library recently. Not sure how I forgot them before. 
5:41:42 PM Trey314159: Oops. I meant conlang.wikia.com, though conLING.wikia.com also exists.
5:42:26 PM irina: I'm a bit skeptical about wikia, the nethack community moved away from it because wikia wanted to impose corporate styling and ads
5:42:35 PM saizai: *wince*
5:42:48 PM DonBoozer: irina: Skeptical in what way?
5:42:54 PM irina: not that it can't be a useful resource, but I for one wouldn't contribute
5:42:55 PM saizai: can we integrate wikia into frathwiki?
5:43:05 PM saizai: and point people to the latter
5:43:10 PM Fenhl: that would be great
5:43:45 PM Fenhl: we could try to do it manually
5:43:46 PM irina: what nethackwiki did was copy the whole thing over and put a pointer on the main page "this is not being maintained, go to nethackwiki instead"
5:43:57 PM irina: ... and wikia removed the pointer several times
5:44:07 PM Trey314159: Well, wiki software is freely available.. what about setting up wiki.conlang.org?
5:44:30 PM saizai: so how many hours have I missed?
5:44:33 PM Fenhl: Trey314159: we do have FrathWiki
5:44:54 PM Trey314159: I just googled Frathwiki. 
5:44:54 PM saizai: we could point wiki.conlang.org to frathwiki, or if Frath is willing, migrate it 
5:45:04 PM saizai: I'll ping him about the latter
5:45:54 PM Trey314159: So, once you have a decent wiki/faq/etc, the trick is to encourage the old timers to kindly point the newbies to it, rather than yell at them
5:46:00 PM Mia: I look at pages about specific conlangs or by specific conlangers, but I hardly ever look at general conlanging sites, so while I've heard of the frathwiki and the wikia, I've never actually used them.
5:46:28 PM irina: yes, me too
5:46:32 PM Trey314159: Mia, I think the point is to have a resource to point newbies to when they ask questions
5:46:42 PM Fenhl: Trey314159: that would be optimal, yes
5:47:17 PM Trey314159: Wikis theoretically help support the development of answers to FAQs by the community as a whole
5:47:37 PM Fenhl: not only theoretically
5:47:39 PM irina: I should get back on the list, I've been nomail for literally years
5:48:19 PM Trey314159: Fenhl, you need a minimum amount of effort to keep a wiki alive. I'm sure there are plenty if moribund wikis on wikia and elsewhere.
5:48:37 PM Fenhl: frathwiki is pretty active
5:49:07 PM Trey314159: That's good news. So how to get folks to point newies there rather than getting frustreated with them?
5:49:17 PM Trey314159: "newbies"
5:49:24 PM saizai: we have a conlang FAQ, but it's mainly for the list proper
5:49:48 PM saizai: we have to have a single-page "hi, you're a newbie, here's a tour" 
5:50:03 PM MaKuB3x: haha
5:50:06 PM MaKuB3x: hi
5:50:14 PM MaKuB3x: I am a newbie
5:50:23 PM Mia: Do the different venues (CONLANG and otherwise) have a welcome message that could include, "Hey, if you're brand new to conlanging, check out this page"?
5:50:46 PM Mia: Not that people actually read their welcome emails. LOL
5:51:38 PM saizai: dah, I missed almost the whole first day
5:51:39 PM saizai: (
5:52:11 PM Fenhl: * End Part 1 *
5:52:18 PM saizai: CONLANG-L has a FAQ
5:52:23 PM saizai: that's autoposted 1/mo
5:52:35 PM saizai: LJ has an infopage that I could edit
5:52:36 PM MaKuB3x: maybe begginers needs examples, minimalist languages for begginers, I mean
5:52:51 PM saizai: ZBB has nothing TTBOMK but you could get Zompist to post a sticky
5:53:08 PM MaKuB3x: quenya, sindarin and others are very complicated for a begginer
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5:53:48 PM irina: different beginners need different things, I think
5:53:58 PM saizai: hm. beginner maker, or beginner learner?
5:54:03 PM irina: beginner maker I mean
5:54:12 PM MaKuB3x: maker
5:54:14 PM MaKuB3x: yes
5:54:16 PM saizai: perhaps it'd be good to have one of the really robust languages made a bit more open-source in how it's made
5:54:19 PM irina: baby steps don't work for everybody (not for me, that's how I know)
5:54:30 PM guitarplayer: now I'll have to read the backscroll...
5:54:32 PM MaKuB3x: saizai: its good idea
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5:54:34 PM saizai: like a diary of how it started, steps taken, etc
5:54:53 PM MaKuB3x: yes, like a practical manual
5:54:53 PM saizai: Dedalvs: please post a transcript to the lcc site
5:55:08 PM MaKuB3x: a howto step by step
5:55:09 PM Mia: I still think a little 'live' guidance from people willing to answer specific questions would be more helpful than a FAQ.
5:55:17 PM Fenhl: is the stream still on?
5:55:20 PM saizai: yes
5:55:22 PM Fenhl: ah, ok
5:55:30 PM saizai: they're just randomly chatting
5:55:46 PM Fenhl: that means you heard Dedalvs
5:55:47 PM Mia: Well, I am off to clean all the things.
5:56:01 PM Fenhl: see ya later/tomorrow/whenever
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5:56:08 PM MaKuB3x: haha
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5:56:23 PM MaKuB3x: off ait
5:56:25 PM MaKuB3x: air
5:56:26 PM saizai: and now the stream is off
5:56:29 PM MaKuB3x: yes
5:56:32 PM MaKuB3x: its over
5:56:39 PM saizai: so I missed almost everything :(
5:56:46 PM MaKuB3x: haha sorry
5:57:25 PM Dedalvs: Sorry, I haven't been on IRC.
5:57:32 PM DonBoozer: Hi Dedalvs
5:57:38 PM Dedalvs: If anyone was talking to me.
5:57:39 PM Dedalvs: Hi!
5:57:45 PM Dedalvs: We're packing up now.
5:57:48 PM DonBoozer: I've been tweeting up a storm
5:57:56 PM Dedalvs: All right! ~:D
5:57:57 PM DonBoozer: try to login tomorrow (after I wake up) to do the same
5:58:10 PM saizai: Dedalvs: a) did you hit 'record' for the ustream?
5:58:18 PM Dedalvs: Yep.
5:58:21 PM saizai: b) pls post the transcript
5:58:29 PM Dedalvs: Don't know how to do that.
5:58:31 PM saizai: and link to the recorded ustream
5:58:44 PM saizai: who's had it open the whole time?
5:58:53 PM saizai: save theirs, do the usual stuff we do for the bod ones
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5:59:46 PM MaKuB3x: saizai: where are you from?
6:00:26 PM saizai: dunno. I live in Chicago, lived in CA bay area previous ~15 y
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